[eu-gene] Generative or not? cubo23

[aslemeur]

Sorry, I enter quite late in the discussion
I 'react' to cubo23
I like the idea to open the reflexion with other medias

what is a "physical" change ?
code is not physicaly changed by interaction !?
only its phenomenal part (image or sound)

what about this proposition for a definition of interactivity :
system that shows evolutive litteral/objective (?) reactions ?

(sorry for my bad english speaking)

anne sarah
http://aslemeur.free.fr
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From: <cubo23 at motorhueso.net>
To: <eu-gene at generative.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Generative or not?


> Hi all,
>
> Funny how the original question was about "generative", and now the
discussion
> has turned towards "interactive"...
>
> We could dare to say that a painting is interactive, just like Duchamp
> said that
> the spectator makes the picture. We are obviously talking about
> intellectual and
> emotional processes here, not physical interaction. The spectator, by
his/her
> perception of the painting, actually constructs his/her own image for
> it. Thus,
> the painting is effectively modified in a subjective way.
>
> But could we say, in a similar way, that a painting is generative?
> Surely, a painting does not generate physical changes in itself or by
itself,
> but its observation can be a trigger (or even better, a "seed") to
generate
> other thoughts, perceptions or ideas.
>
> A painting is not autonomous: if there is no spectator, it simply
> doesn't exist
> (and doesn't generate)... maybe this concept, "autonomy", can light the
way
> towards a clearer definition of "generative".
>
> I understand that these discussion is aimed towards the digital medium,
but by
> talking about painting I just wanted to find if the shift in this
discussion
> could actually bring us to a better answer for the original question...
>
> Cheers!
> E.
>
> So what are the relations/divergences between generative and interactive?
> >>
> >> ...especially interesting is the ELIZA effect

> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect )
> >
> > I guess interactive/reactive is a differerent question than only "can
> > computers perform humanlike conversation".
> >
> > Basically Turing test is about can one differentiate computer from
> > humans. But in the question interactive/reactive
> > even humans can fail. I know quite a many people who are not
interactive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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