[eu-gene] Generative or not? cubo23

[Dirk Vekemans]

Not simulation but creation.
& it's happening, not 'issing'.
& there are some complications, especially concerning the a priori's and how
time tends to disrupt the images thereoff.


Otherwise it's pretty close to what i amuse myself with. But you'd probably
go for the Zuse-Wolfram discreteness of things, i can't agree to that, no
matter how pretty the pictures are. I think that's a self-inflicted trap
brought about by the field these people work so brilliantly in. A failure to
try 'n think the overhuman as over(beyond)human. Denying the alterity of
machines is no good for humanising the affects they have. I think it's even
dangerous when you plug it straight into the commercial power grid like
Wolfram does. It's an all too easy reductionism, smuggling the human back in
the centre of the universe. Of course it's extremely difficult to think in
terms of the Event, it's very similar to the problems you get debugging
self-modifying code. I'm not smart enough for any of it, but poetic
awareness of moments can get one very far too. At least, that's what i'm
counting on.
dv
 

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> [mailto:eu-gene-bounces at generative.net] Namens Jim Andrews
> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 februari 2006 12:29
> Aan: generative art
> Onderwerp: RE: [eu-gene] Generative or not? cubo23
> 
> > Alex:
> > There's a train of thought which I enjoy very much, which is that 
> > consciousness is a simulation.  In order to predict what 
> might happen 
> > to them so that they can prepare for oncoming danger, our bodies 
> > evolved so that they could run a simulation of the world 
> around them.  
> > Some evolutionary steps later sees the body running two 
> simulations, 
> > one of the world, and one of the body itself.  The two 
> simulations interact.
> > The simulation of the body is consciousness.
> 
> Terrific.
> 
> Can there be consciousness without a concept of I and other?
> Can there be a concept of I without a concept of other?
> 
> Other is first? But without an I, other is All.
> All first.
> Then I.
> All and I give rise to Other (than I).
> 
> So perhaps it isn't so much that the simulation of the body 
> is consciousness, ie, it isn't so much that I is 
> consciousness. Consciousness is not simply consciousness of 
> I, but of I and Other. So perhaps consciousness is something 
> that requires both the simulation of the world and the 
> simulation of the body, but is not identical with or solely 
> operative within either?
> 
> ja
> http://vispo.com
> 
> 
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