[eu-gene] Generative or not? cubo23

Michael Gogins gogins at pipeline.com
Tue Feb 21 14:37:26 GMT 2006


Your theory fails due to infinite regress. See Sartre's critique of Husserl's transcendental ego (what you propose is a version of the transcendental ego). Most theories of machine consciousness posit a form of the transcendental ego.

If I myself were to put forward a theory of true artificial intelligence, I would avoid the trap of trying to define consciousness. Instead, I would try to model goal-driven, adaptive behavior based on the rapid evolution of strategies.

However, I am not putting forward such a theory, since I don't see how to truly model goal-driven, adaptive behavior without the _conscious_ mutation and selection of strategies.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: alex <alex at slab.org>
>Sent: Feb 21, 2006 4:18 AM
>To: generative art <eu-gene at generative.net>
>Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Generative or not? cubo23
>
>On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 00:37 -0500, Michael Gogins wrote:
>> It is an open question in philosophy whether humans are Turing machines. If 
>> so then computers may some day be conscious and think as we do. If not then 
>> computers (at least those that are Turing machines) may never be conscious 
>> or truly think.
>> 
>> The question is extraordinarily difficult. It is not a scientific question 
>> because in principle a computer could provide an effective simulation of a 
>> human being, whether or not the computer was in fact conscious or truly 
>> thinking.
>
>There's a train of thought which I enjoy very much, which is that
>consciousness is a simulation.  In order to predict what might happen to
>them so that they can prepare for oncoming danger, our bodies evolved so
>that they could run a simulation of the world around them.  Some
>evolutionary steps later sees the body running two simulations, one of
>the world, and one of the body itself.  The two simulations interact.
>The simulation of the body is consciousness.
>
>Well, that's my naive interpretation of a lecture I saw by Owen Holland,
>please refer to him for more information:
>http://cswww.essex.ac.uk/staff/owen/research.htm
>
>
>alex
>
>
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