[eu-gene] Generative or not? cubo23

[Michael Gogins]

You miss my point. Quantum randomness (if it actually exists, QM is a theory not a fact, though so well tested we must treat as a fact till a better theory comes along) proves that the universe is not computable.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: rob at robmyers.org
>Sent: Feb 21, 2006 4:23 AM
>To: eu-gene at generative.net
>Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Generative or not? cubo23
>
>Quoting Michael Gogins <gogins at pipeline.com>:
>
>> There is a deeper question inside this, whether Turing machines can 
>> effectively model natural law. The answer to this is probably no, 
>> since quantum theory predicts true randomness in natural phenomena, 
>> which lies beyond the ability of any program to compute (see 
>> Chaitin's Omega). Finite programs can only be pseudo-random.
>
>Zuse and more recently Wolfram (who doesn't acknowledge Zuse, but has prettier
>pictures) have argued that the universe is discretely computable.
>
>> Therefore, it is conceivable that human beings are not Turing 
>> machines. In my view, it is even likely.
>
>We could be shape grammars or wavelet systems. Douglas Hofstadter 
>believes he is
>a strange loop, and who am I to disagree? :-)
>
>- Rob.
>
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