[eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?

[Michael Gogins]

I wouldn't say I have a lot of garbage left over. But of course, out of a set of N randomly generated sequences, one will sound better than the others. This is a question of my personal taste as a composer. It sometimes takes a good deal of repeated listening to finish the process.

I do sometimes simply randomize pitch over time, but only rarely, and when I do, the sequences are not terribly different in quality. More often, I randomize a search for parameters that control a polynomial chaotic dynamical system. A given set of parameters can produce sequences that are VERY different from other parameters' sequences.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: aslemeur <aslemeur at free.fr>
>Sent: May 10, 2006 9:16 AM
>To: generative art <eu-gene at generative.net>
>Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
>
>so as Manfred Mohr, etc.
>you create variety with random and at the end you choose
>why do you have a lot of rubbage?/garbbage ? left over ?
>
>>throw most away, and
>> keep one which becomes the finished sequence.
>
>under what criteria do you choose ?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins at pipeline.com>
>To: "generative art" <eu-gene at generative.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
>
>
>> I sometimes use randomness. In no case do I use it to problematise
>> authorship. I am the author. I use it because it delivers certain effects
>> that I intend. I'm a composer, and randomly generated sequences just sound
>> different. I make tape music, so I generate sequences, throw most away,
>and
>> keep one which becomes the finished sequence.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Simon Biggs" <simon at littlepig.org.uk>
>> To: <eu-gene at generative.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
>>
>>
>> >I also agree.
>> >
>> > The question as to why artists might wish to use random processes is the
>> > key. I would argue that the main reason for employing such techniques is
>> > not
>> > because of any potential value that might be found in any particular set
>> > of
>> > numerical relationships, nor in any formal outcomes of the process, but
>> > rather in how such an approach allows one to at least partially defer
>and
>> > thus problematise authorship. Random processes, along with other similar
>> > techniques based on arbitrary systems, allow you to shift where the
>> > apparent
>> > origin of a work might be found and thus cause the receiver of the work
>to
>> > also question their own relationship as interpreter and partial author.
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10.05.06 12:02, "aslemeur" <aslemeur at free.fr> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I agree
>> >>
>> >> why and when do we chose to use random ?
>> >> to create variety, to avoid to chose ? (to fill a space-time ?)
>> >> but this random exists inside some preset 'personnal/subjective' rules
>> >> This is in these personnal/subjective rules that I am interested (with
>> >> computer or any other creation technics)
>> >> and how they show something about our own dreams/subconscious
>> >>
>> >> random without strong choses/rules doesn't mean anything
>> >> most of the times 'random art' is boring to me because it doesn't
>express
>> >> anything about human
>> >> it is more technical than sensitive
>> >> most of the time anyone could do the same (having the same level of
>> >> technical knowledge)
>> >> for example :
>> >> http://imagesavant.com/
>> >> fascinating but not art ?
>> >>
>> >> what are we dreaming of  ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Simon Biggs
>> >
>> > simon at littlepig.org.uk
>> > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/
>> >
>> > Professor of Digital Art, Sheffield Hallam University
>> >
>> > s.biggs at shu.ac.uk
>> > http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cs/cri/adrc/research2/
>> >
>> >
>> >
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