[eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?

[Dave Griffiths]

I don't see what the big deal is with authorship - the good stuff is all
in the parameterisation. Do wind chime makers worry about the authorship
of the music they make?

> I wouldn't say I have a lot of garbage left over. But of course, out of a
> set of N randomly generated sequences, one will sound better than the
> others. This is a question of my personal taste as a composer. It
> sometimes takes a good deal of repeated listening to finish the process.
>
> I do sometimes simply randomize pitch over time, but only rarely, and when
> I do, the sequences are not terribly different in quality. More often, I
> randomize a search for parameters that control a polynomial chaotic
> dynamical system. A given set of parameters can produce sequences that are
> VERY different from other parameters' sequences.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: aslemeur <aslemeur at free.fr>
>>Sent: May 10, 2006 9:16 AM
>>To: generative art <eu-gene at generative.net>
>>Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
>>
>>so as Manfred Mohr, etc.
>>you create variety with random and at the end you choose
>>why do you have a lot of rubbage?/garbbage ? left over ?
>>
>>>throw most away, and
>>> keep one which becomes the finished sequence.
>>
>>under what criteria do you choose ?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins at pipeline.com>
>>To: "generative art" <eu-gene at generative.net>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:26 PM
>>Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
>>
>>
>>> I sometimes use randomness. In no case do I use it to problematise
>>> authorship. I am the author. I use it because it delivers certain
>>> effects
>>> that I intend. I'm a composer, and randomly generated sequences just
>>> sound
>>> different. I make tape music, so I generate sequences, throw most away,
>>and
>>> keep one which becomes the finished sequence.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Simon Biggs" <simon at littlepig.org.uk>
>>> To: <eu-gene at generative.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
>>>
>>>
>>> >I also agree.
>>> >
>>> > The question as to why artists might wish to use random processes is
>>> the
>>> > key. I would argue that the main reason for employing such techniques
>>> is
>>> > not
>>> > because of any potential value that might be found in any particular
>>> set
>>> > of
>>> > numerical relationships, nor in any formal outcomes of the process,
>>> but
>>> > rather in how such an approach allows one to at least partially defer
>>and
>>> > thus problematise authorship. Random processes, along with other
>>> similar
>>> > techniques based on arbitrary systems, allow you to shift where the
>>> > apparent
>>> > origin of a work might be found and thus cause the receiver of the
>>> work
>>to
>>> > also question their own relationship as interpreter and partial
>>> author.
>>> >
>>> > Best
>>> >
>>> > Simon
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10.05.06 12:02, "aslemeur" <aslemeur at free.fr> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I agree
>>> >>
>>> >> why and when do we chose to use random ?
>>> >> to create variety, to avoid to chose ? (to fill a space-time ?)
>>> >> but this random exists inside some preset 'personnal/subjective'
>>> rules
>>> >> This is in these personnal/subjective rules that I am interested
>>> (with
>>> >> computer or any other creation technics)
>>> >> and how they show something about our own dreams/subconscious
>>> >>
>>> >> random without strong choses/rules doesn't mean anything
>>> >> most of the times 'random art' is boring to me because it doesn't
>>express
>>> >> anything about human
>>> >> it is more technical than sensitive
>>> >> most of the time anyone could do the same (having the same level of
>>> >> technical knowledge)
>>> >> for example :
>>> >> http://imagesavant.com/
>>> >> fascinating but not art ?
>>> >>
>>> >> what are we dreaming of  ?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Simon Biggs
>>> >
>>> > simon at littlepig.org.uk
>>> > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/
>>> >
>>> > Professor of Digital Art, Sheffield Hallam University
>>> >
>>> > s.biggs at shu.ac.uk
>>> > http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cs/cri/adrc/research2/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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