[eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?

[aslemeur]

I just want to understand :
so you use randomness in the creation process
but not in the art piece itself (when it is played) ?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins at pipeline.com>
To: "generative art" <eu-gene at generative.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?


> I wouldn't say I have a lot of garbage left over. But of course, out of a
set of N randomly generated sequences, one will sound better than the
others. This is a question of my personal taste as a composer. It sometimes
takes a good deal of repeated listening to finish the process.
>
> I do sometimes simply randomize pitch over time, but only rarely, and when
I do, the sequences are not terribly different in quality. More often, I
randomize a search for parameters that control a polynomial chaotic
dynamical system. A given set of parameters can produce sequences that are
VERY different from other parameters' sequences.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: aslemeur <aslemeur at free.fr>
> >Sent: May 10, 2006 9:16 AM
> >To: generative art <eu-gene at generative.net>
> >Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
> >
> >so as Manfred Mohr, etc.
> >you create variety with random and at the end you choose
> >why do you have a lot of rubbage?/garbbage ? left over ?
> >
> >>throw most away, and
> >> keep one which becomes the finished sequence.
> >
> >under what criteria do you choose ?
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins at pipeline.com>
> >To: "generative art" <eu-gene at generative.net>
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
> >
> >
> >> I sometimes use randomness. In no case do I use it to problematise
> >> authorship. I am the author. I use it because it delivers certain
effects
> >> that I intend. I'm a composer, and randomly generated sequences just
sound
> >> different. I make tape music, so I generate sequences, throw most away,
> >and
> >> keep one which becomes the finished sequence.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Simon Biggs" <simon at littlepig.org.uk>
> >> To: <eu-gene at generative.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:57 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
> >>
> >>
> >> >I also agree.
> >> >
> >> > The question as to why artists might wish to use random processes is
the
> >> > key. I would argue that the main reason for employing such techniques
is
> >> > not
> >> > because of any potential value that might be found in any particular
set
> >> > of
> >> > numerical relationships, nor in any formal outcomes of the process,
but
> >> > rather in how such an approach allows one to at least partially defer
> >and
> >> > thus problematise authorship. Random processes, along with other
similar
> >> > techniques based on arbitrary systems, allow you to shift where the
> >> > apparent
> >> > origin of a work might be found and thus cause the receiver of the
work
> >to
> >> > also question their own relationship as interpreter and partial
author.
> >> >
> >> > Best
> >> >
> >> > Simon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 10.05.06 12:02, "aslemeur" <aslemeur at free.fr> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I agree
> >> >>
> >> >> why and when do we chose to use random ?
> >> >> to create variety, to avoid to chose ? (to fill a space-time ?)
> >> >> but this random exists inside some preset 'personnal/subjective'
rules
> >> >> This is in these personnal/subjective rules that I am interested
(with
> >> >> computer or any other creation technics)
> >> >> and how they show something about our own dreams/subconscious
> >> >>
> >> >> random without strong choses/rules doesn't mean anything
> >> >> most of the times 'random art' is boring to me because it doesn't
> >express
> >> >> anything about human
> >> >> it is more technical than sensitive
> >> >> most of the time anyone could do the same (having the same level of
> >> >> technical knowledge)
> >> >> for example :
> >> >> http://imagesavant.com/
> >> >> fascinating but not art ?
> >> >>
> >> >> what are we dreaming of  ?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Simon Biggs
> >> >
> >> > simon at littlepig.org.uk
> >> > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/
> >> >
> >> > Professor of Digital Art, Sheffield Hallam University
> >> >
> >> > s.biggs at shu.ac.uk
> >> > http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cs/cri/adrc/research2/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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