[eu-gene] Re: Re: Generative or not?

[Michael Gogins]

Interesting. I always thought authorship rested in an object that the author produced, like a manuscript of a poem or a quartet, or a marble sculpture. Even a concept has to be written down. Or whispered.

In general, though I am interested in concepts, I am more interested in whether a piece compels my attention, is beautiful, moves me, etc. Sometimes the things that move me are purely conceptual, but if the concept does not move me it has for me no ARTISTIC interest.

Regards,
Mike

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>From: Pall Thayer <pall at fa.is>
>Sent: May 10, 2006 10:31 AM
>To: eu-gene at generative.net
>Subject: [eu-gene] Re: Re: Generative or not?
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>
>Hi people,
>I just want to throw something into the fray here. Personally, I  
>don't like to use random processes as they can be very difficult to  
>conceptualize around. But I do use automated selection processes and  
>do on occasion resort to randomness. As far as computers go, I think  
>an interesting concept is that whatever type of selection process we  
>use, for the computer doing the selection, it's essentially a "dumb"  
>process. We make the computer appear as if it's making a conscious  
>choice but it really has no conscious understanding of what it's  
>doing. If it were capable of caring, it couldn't care less. Which  
>made me come up with this line in regards to my new project "On  
>Everything" (which I posted to the list recently and is also posted  
>at http://www.generative.net/links.cgi ) "It reflects everything  
>while reflecting on nothing. _That_ is left up to the viewer."
>
>Also, regarding authorship - I don't think this is an issue at all if  
>the work can be successfully conceptualized. Authorship lies in the  
>concept.
>
>Pall Thayer
>
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>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:57:39 +0100
>> From: Simon Biggs <simon at littlepig.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Re: Generative or not?
>> To: <eu-gene at generative.net>
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>> I also agree.
>>
>> The question as to why artists might wish to use random processes  
>> is the
>> key. I would argue that the main reason for employing such  
>> techniques is not
>> because of any potential value that might be found in any  
>> particular set of
>> numerical relationships, nor in any formal outcomes of the process,  
>> but
>> rather in how such an approach allows one to at least partially  
>> defer and
>> thus problematise authorship. Random processes, along with other  
>> similar
>> techniques based on arbitrary systems, allow you to shift where the  
>> apparent
>> origin of a work might be found and thus cause the receiver of the  
>> work to
>> also question their own relationship as interpreter and partial  
>> author.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> On 10.05.06 12:02, "aslemeur" <aslemeur at free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree
>>>
>>> why and when do we chose to use random ?
>>> to create variety, to avoid to chose ? (to fill a space-time ?)
>>> but this random exists inside some preset 'personnal/subjective'  
>>> rules
>>> This is in these personnal/subjective rules that I am interested  
>>> (with
>>> computer or any other creation technics)
>>> and how they show something about our own dreams/subconscious
>>>
>>> random without strong choses/rules doesn't mean anything
>>> most of the times 'random art' is boring to me because it doesn't  
>>> express
>>> anything about human
>>> it is more technical than sensitive
>>> most of the time anyone could do the same (having the same level of
>>> technical knowledge)
>>> for example :
>>> http://imagesavant.com/
>>> fascinating but not art ?
>>>
>>> what are we dreaming of  ?
>>
>>
>> Simon Biggs
>>
>> simon at littlepig.org.uk
>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/
>>
>> Professor of Digital Art, Sheffield Hallam University
>>
>> s.biggs at shu.ac.uk
>> http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cs/cri/adrc/research2/
>>
>>
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